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The Nursery Closet in Hauptmann's apartment.
Did he write Condon's phone
number there? Many of the VDer's [verdict defender's] claim in his interview with Foley that he
admits it. Let me remind all that there were serial #'s to money found written
on the door, and on the closet trim - Condon's address and phone number.
Strangely, Bornmann put in his Official Report that the serial #'s were of the
ransom money. They weren't - but he reports this anyway....then AFTER this
discovery, the other is found.
So why don't they quote Hauptmann in the Foley interview?
Beats me. They are always pointing to it as if it proves something so I must
assume they have it. Let's look at Foley's interview that I obtained in a round
about way from NY...
11:55 A. M.
Q: [Foley] Hauptman, I want to ask you some questions about this board you know
it is from your closet in your own house, don't you?
A: [Hauptmann] It must be.
Q: It is the same kind of wood - your handwriting is on it?
A: Yes, all over it.
Q: What did you write on that board, read it to the stenographer.
A: I can't read it any more.
Q: Who rubbed it out? Can you read the address on it?
A: 2974. I can't make out the first. I read the number down below, 37154.
Q: What else can you read on that board that you wrote yourself?
A: I can't read - that is "a", "t", "u" and a
"r". Another one I can't make out.
Q: That's Dr. Condon's address isn't it?
A: I don't know.
Q: Why did you write it on the board?
A: I must have read it in the paper about the story. I was a little bit
interested and keep a little bit record of it, and maybe I was just on the
closet, and was reading the paper and put it down the address.
Q: How did you come to put the telephone number there?
A: I can't give you any explanation about the telephone number.
Q: Your only explanation for writing Dr. Condon's address on this board, and
telephone number, is that you were probably reading the paper in the closet and
you marked it down, is that correct?
A: It is possible that a shelf or two shelfs in the closet and after a while I
put new papers always on the closet, and we just got the paper where this case
was in, and I followed the story of course, and I put the address on there.
Q: That's why you marked it on the door?
A: That's the only explanation I can give.
****Foley is doing his best to lead Hauptmann into admitting that he wrote the
telephone number, one can see that he just isn't admitting to it. Foley really
wants this admission so he presses on and attempts to confuse Hauptmann by
leading questions and mixing up questions concerning the address, phone number,
and serial numbers....
(omitting Foley pretending to be Hauptmann's friend)
Q: When you say those two numbers, you don't refer to anything on this board -
when you talk of the two numbers you don't mean anything on this board but other
number written on the door?
A: On the door.
Q: But not on this piece?
A: I can't remember where I put it.
Q: And you say that they refer to bills of high denomination?
A: Yes.
Q: Is there anything else you wanted to add?
A: No.
Q: Do you remember the day that you wrote this memorandum on the board?
A: No.
Q: You remember that you did write it?
A: I must write it, the figures that's my writing.
Q: The writing is yours too, isn't it?
A: I hardly can read it.
Q: From what you see of it, it is your writing, isn't it -- it is your figures
and your writing?
A: I really can't remember when I put it on.
Q: Regardless of when you put it on, it is your figures and your writing, isn't
it?
A: The writing I can't make out so very clearly, I don't know.
Q: Do you know who rubbed it or tried to rub it out?
A: No.
(End of interview)
***Now this is the first interview, and do we see Hauptmann, despite the
leading, and underhanded way this interview is being conducted, is Hauptmann
admitting to writing that phone number there?
No.
Now a little while later, Foley interviews Hauptmann again, and slips this
little "question" in....
Q: Do you remember the date that you marked Dr. Condon's telelphone number on
the board in your house?
A: Absolutely not.
Q: You can't fix the time?
A: No, sir, impossible.
Q: Do you remember the time that you marked the numbers of the bills?
A: No.
Q: Which did you mark first, the telephone or the bills?
A: I can't remember that.
***Again, despite the dirty trick that Foley is engaging in, Hauptmann is not
admitting to writing the telephone number. Foley knows that Hauptmann never
admitted to it, and is trying to get an admission by referring to the telephone
number instead of the address.
Now the very next day, Foley starts off the interview with this leading
question:
A: Hauptmann, yesterday I showed you a piece of wood from your house with
Condon's address and phone number on it, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: You admitted that you wrote that on the board?
A: Yes.
***Another leading question that Foley knows isn't true. Hauptmann never
admitted to this the day before, and Foley decided to slip this in without
putting the board before Hauptmann. When the board is in front of him and he
gets to look at the writing - his opinion is that he's not sure about the phone
number. Go back and re-read the first exchange. This whole interview is clearly
tainted and has no value whatsoever to support that Hauptmann wrote the phone
number, or anything for that matter.
En re Bruno Richard Hauptmann, 10-15-34
p68
Q [Wilentz]: So that when you looked at Exhibit A, which was presented by you by
the District Attorney of Bronx County, and you looked at the handwriting
thereon, you said that was your handwriting, isn't that so?
A [Hauptmann]: I said that is my lumber I could not make out the handwriting.
Q: You said the number on there is your handwriting?
A: Yes
Q: What about the "Decatur"?
A: I could not make out whether that is my handwriting and numbers.
Q: The numbers are in your handwriting, are they not?
A: They are.
Q: But the other writing, you are not sure of?
A: I could not make out.
Q: You would not say it was not your handwriting, would you?
A: I would not say exactly, no.
****So if you look at the board from top to bottom, you have the
"2974", then below that the "Decatur", then below that
"Sedgwick", then below that "3-7154".
Again, Hauptmann is not claiming he wrote the phone number. It does look like he
is admitting to writing the address numbers however, but this is a very
indefinate and confusing exchange.
Again at the trial in Flemington starting on page 2659 you will see
that this testimony is indefinate as to the question of Hauptmann writing the
telephone number.
Now let's take a look at the actual writing as explained by me in part through
the one Expert who did take a look at it.
2974
were written by a different author then the
3-7154
The intent was to make the "7" look like the one on top but the
"forger" bungled the job.
The 29(7)4 was made with a steady hand to the right, while the 3-(7)154 was made
with an unsteady hand downward.
Just take a second look. The bottom "7" is unsteady while the top
"7" is smooth. The pen pressure changed and position moved by 25%,
while the top did not.
Take a look at the "4"...
297(4) the pen never left the Wall board.
The 3-715(4) the pen left the Wall board, and pen started down Wall board
unsteady.
Hauptmann always began the number "4" by moving from the left, while
clearly the 3-715(4) was made by starting from the right.
In other words, whoever wrote this "4" wrote it backwards in respect
to how Hauptmann wrote every "4" in his standards.
None of the "2974" numbers were written with an unsteady hand.
It doesn't take an Expert to see that the numbers "3-7154" were all
written with an unsteady hand.
I also uncovered during my research that one of the State's Experts who saw a
picture of this writing was requesting a photo of these writings in the closet
to be taken with an "infra-red ray".
His request was promptly denied by Schwarzkopf.
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